About this episode
What does it take to lead change without relying on control? Jayo Macasaquit, Chief People Officer at The 19th News, joins Josephine Palermo and Iain to explore organizational adaptability, psychological safety, distributed leadership, and the hidden assumptions that keep teams stuck.
They discuss the “immunity to change” framework, moving from “hero to host” leadership, the challenge of delegation, and how reflection, coaching, and experimentation can help organizations thrive in uncertainty.
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Video chapters Jump to a moment
- 0:00 Introduction ▶
- 2:45 Jayo’s journey into HR and people strategy ▶
- 6:42 The 19th News and equity-centered leadership ▶
- 13:10 When mission and internal culture don’t align ▶
- 16:05 Why leaders struggle to delegate ▶
- 19:02 Understanding “immunity to change” ▶
- 22:41 Using community and accountability to create change ▶
- 25:22 Moving from “hero” to “host” leadership ▶
- 28:27 Hierarchy, attention, and distributed decision-making ▶
- 32:45 Reflection, coaching, and courageous conversations ▶
- 34:35 Building operational resilience in a changing world ▶
- 41:10 Psychological safety, failure, and imposter syndrome ▶
- 46:38 Balancing self-belief with openness to feedback ▶
- 48:52 Clarity over certainty ▶
- 50:44 Jayo’s closing reflections: from blamestorming to brainstorming ▶